#2: Exploring Energy Healing with Denise Grams
Want to meet my energy healer?
Today, we are joined by my friend, astrologer, and energy healer Denise Grams to explore something I like to call 'permission healing.' Over the past several years, Denise has been guiding me through an incredible experience—a healing technique that works at the cellular level.
In this conversation, Denise walks us through how she helps her clients release stored energy and why she never sees what she does as 'work.' If traditional therapy hasn’t been working for you, energy healing might be the key to unlocking the next level of your mind, body, and spirit.
Topics We Explore:
- What is energy healing, really?
- How cellular memory impacts your body
- Past life regression analysis and its role in healing
- Releasing stress and understanding what your body needs.
- Treating the root cause, not just the symptoms.
Connect with Denise Grams:
- Personal Website: http://www.DeniseGrams.com
- Phone Number: 778-340-6129
- Email: [email protected]
Episode Transcript:
Erik Solbakken: Hi, everyone, it's Eric Solbakken, and welcome to the Viking Academy Podcast. On the podcast today, I have Denise Grams. She is an energy healer. Not only that, she's my energy healer. Yep, she's been working with me for over five years now, and the amount of growth and exploration that I've done with her has been off the charts. We get into a great conversation about what got her into energy healing, what the hell energy healing is, for those of you who don't know what it is. We got down to the cellular memory and quantum level of what your body holds. We went through past life regression analysis. We talked about how the mind, body, and spirit connected together for what she does, which is what the Viking Academy is. We also talked about how she's seen me grow and how I've created my passion and purpose in the Viking Academy, which is what I wanna share with you so that you can do the same for yourselves to live with passion and purpose. So without further ado, let's explore Well, hello. How are you?
Denise Grams: I'm good. And how are you?
Erik Solbakken: I'm really excited, You're, like, one of the first handful of people I get to interview, so I'm, like, bouncing up and down like a kid on Christmas. I, like, get to open up my first few presents, right? And you're one of my presents I get to open. This is great. Oh, my
Denise Grams: God. Oh, my God. Well, I'm a bit nervous, I have to say. I'm the one that always listens, so I'm not the one that has to do all the talking all the time, so-
Erik Solbakken: That's true. it's me- That's true.
Denise Grams: yes. Puts me in a different place.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah, you're the one who's telling me all the things that you found out about me and what I need- Yes to work on me, but we're gonna talk about you today. I know. And, and that's fun.
Denise Grams: Fun for you.
Erik Solbakken: Very much fun for you. Well, it'll be fun for both of us, and it, really and for the listeners is the whole concept here of the Viking Academy is to be explorers. Explore yourself and figure out- Yeah. who you are and- Yeah, you've been. Oh, my gosh, you've been with me for so many years. How many? It's been five years or five, six?
Denise Grams: , I think it's been a little bit longer than five years. I didn't look that up, but I think it's been a little bit longer, I think, since about, Oh, maybe '17 or '18. 2018. Somewhere in there.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. It's been a. Well, here, 2019.
Denise Grams: 2019
Erik Solbakken: 2019. I just looked at my files Oh, okay There you go. 2019 Okay We started each other. So yeah, it's been- Okay. five years. There you go
Denise Grams: Wow.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. But, and again, it's been just a beautiful exploration. And with this podcast, I wanted to have a conversation with you about, first of all, like what do you do? How'd you get into it? And ultimately I wanna bring to the listeners here a sense of wonderment and going, there's so many facets of ourselves that we can explore and find out about. And like, for example, when I was growing up as a kid, my parents never recommended me to go to an energy healer. Like I knew we never talked about stuff like that, never mind astrology- Yeah. Right. and, healing services and counseling and that sort of thing. We never talked about that. and I grew up in the '70s and '80s, and it was like there was no conversation around that. And for me this is like a fairly new thing that I've found in my life- Yeah ever since I've started my exploration and I came across you. But, tell me a little bit about your experience. Like when did you get introduced to being an energy healer and looking at astrology and the physiology that you've done such incredible work with me on? Like how did you get started into this?
Denise Grams: , I, I think it, it had to start with astrology and, and the reason why I say that is back in '71, when. That's probably when you were born. I don't know
Erik Solbakken: 1970. February 20th, 1970. Yeah Oh yeah. I was one year away from really good bell-bottoms
Denise Grams: So you were still on the bottle and everything. So here I was, '71, and I was just going through a really hard patch. I had a six-month-old baby and my girls were five and seven, and I was in the process of separating and divorcing and stuff, and it was very hard. It just was one of those things that happened when. in those days we would go to people's places for coffee. We don't do that anymore, but we'd stop in for coffee, and a girlfriend of mine brought another, a friend of hers one evening, and we were having coffee. And this woman, I can't remember her name, I only saw her that once, and she started talking about astrology. Now you have to understand that my life was a mess, and I was brought up in a household where there was never any religion and not hardly any sort of morals talked about. So I was pretty lost really at that time. So she started talking about astrology and it, and it occurred to me as she talked that, "Oh my God, there's, there's something to this. there's something going on in our lives that is predictable and, we can look at it and under- and it." And I was hooked. So being hooked on astrology in '71 wasn't particularly helpful, in Canada anyway, because nobody was talking about it. There, there was f- a few books, but I had a hard time finding them. So I studied and studied, and anyway, that was the beginning of understanding that, there is a, there's a rhythm to our life, there. Our whole life is about cycles and rhythms and, and understanding and good times and bad times, but it was really, really important for me to know that. So time goes forward, life goes on. So by the time it gets to 1991, I think, I had gone through all kinds of things and doing some psychology and sociology. I never got a degree, but I, I studied those things in university, and that was really interesting to me too. And from about, I'll go back to 1984, I was a counselor for the government, and I, I did that. But, the, the counseling, it, it's good if you're trying to problem solve and everything, but it doesn't, never did get to the meat of stuff for me when
Erik Solbakken: I- Yeah, it's, the, the actual cause of the problem. Yeah. It's like treating the symptom instead of the cause, right?
Denise Grams: Absolutely.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah.
Denise Grams: And ignoring the cause. even ignoring it, the cause, was a big thing. So we come to about 1991, and I'd gotten involved in a meditation kind of training and, and this, and this guy, he called it transforming cellular memory, and that's when I started to understand about what about cellular memory, what is that? And then, I came to realize that, in each and every cell there's full consciousness and, and memory. So that took me to several different kinds of training after that, and I can listen for you if you want.
Erik Solbakken: Well, I'm cur- No, th- th-
Denise Grams: Yeah, go ahead.
Erik Solbakken: this is stuff that again, we've. When you're working with me, you're doing what you do. It would be great to understand more about- this concept that each cell in your body has consciousness and memory. And so what is it specifically that you do when you're working with someone- Yeah. and all the training that you've taken. I understand- Yeah. that all the training you're taking. Yeah. But now we're t- let's get to the, I really want for myself and the listener to go, "Okay, well, what is it that Denise does?" Yeah. Like, what is energy healing? What does it really do? And so if I heard you correctly, it's like you had this life-changing situation back in 1971 that's very similar- Yeah. to me. I've had a marriage breakup. I've had my alcoholism. I've had these low points, and there seems to be this consistent theme among people that you have to hit this bottom first before you really start seeking.
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: So it's like pain is the touchstone of all growth. Yeah. And so for you, that was like this breakup and, and that first introduction of astrology going, "Maybe there's a meaning to my life." Yeah. "Maybe there's an order, to the universe and the chaos that I'm feeling. Maybe it's okay that I'm going through this. It's okay." Yeah. Because it's part of the cycle, right? Yeah. And then you dive into the deep end of the pool, where you're starting to realize this is your unique ability. This is the thing I'm here to do. And so you do- dove into your schooling. But that first conscious awakening of going, each cell has consciousness and memory. So with that- Yeah. can you just drill into that a little bit more in terms of- Oh. your energy healing and what you do. I will. What do you do? What exactly do you do to Eric when you. We were having our sessions, right?
Denise Grams: Well, well, for one thing, I, I'm using bio kinesiology. I am testing your- Field. And so on what I'm talking about your field, I'm talking about quantum physics, and that. And, and please don't ask me to even tell you what that is because I know what it is, but I don't know how to even talk about it. So quantum physics of energy medicine, and what it says is that, we are all energy and that we're all connected. So I've learned how to test by asking yes and no question, and I have thousands of them, to see what it is that you want to say to me, not intellectually, not emotionally, none of that. It's just like, "Where's the issue?" And, you and I will have a, we'll have a talk ahead of time, and we'll talk about maybe something that's come up, and, and I'll see if I can. If that becomes what we call an agenda, if that's, if that's what you wanna deal with today, and I'll test, and I, I'm testing. I'm just testing your field is what I'm doing. And, and you'll say yes or no, and if it's no, then we carry on, and usually that comes in afterwards, the issue that you're dealing with. But the thing is that we have to understand that the body, it doesn't have any filters. Like, at the cellular memory, there are no filters, whereas if a person comes in to see me personally, I'm dealing with their personality, with their physical body, with all kinds of things. And I know now after, what is it, since 2020, I've been working remotely, and I can go so much deeper into, not only what the issues are, but the clearings, corrections, and balances of, of, relieving the stress on that 'cause that's really what an energy worker is doing is relieving the stress, releasing the stress on any person on any, whether it's their organs, endocrines, body parts, whatever. Levels of their mind, conscious, subconscious.
Erik Solbakken: So there's. Awesome. Like and I know this is what you do, but to have it kind of broken down for me, it, it makes- Yeah. way more sense, and I'm making connections- Yeah. with other areas. Sure, sure. So it's the bio-kinesiology, quantum physics, energy, and connectedness. You are, you are asking my body at the cellular quantum level-
Denise Grams: Yes.
Erik Solbakken: what do you need to have removed?
Denise Grams: Yes.
Erik Solbakken: And because it's not like traditional therapy when you come in and I'm talking to you, and you say, "Okay, Eric.", like Frasier, like the com- Yeah, yeah. the TV show Frasier. I love that sitcom. Yeah, yeah. It goes, "Hello, Seattle. I'm listening." Yes. Right? Yeah. I'm listening. And instead of asking me the questions, you're not necessarily getting to the, the root of the problem with me because you're talking to the veil or the filter of my conditioned personality. So instead of seeing the Eric that's the conditioned personality- -huh and I put up blockers and protections-. and walls, and I've got childhood traumas that I'm gonna put walls up and protect myself. As a therapist, how do you break through those walls? You found a shortcut-
Denise Grams: Yes.
Erik Solbakken: around-
Denise Grams: Yes.
Erik Solbakken: not even around or through it. It doesn't exist anymore because you're going straight to the cellular level-
Denise Grams: Exactly
Erik Solbakken: and you're communicating directly with the cellular level that doesn't have the conditioning. It's like someone who can't tell a, they, they can't lie. You ask them a question, they just tell you the truth. That's right. They just tell you exactly what's going on, so there's no filter. It's like a kid. You just ask them, and they're like, "Oh, blah, blah, blah." They haven't been conditioned yet. Like, it's just fresh. And so it tells, so my cellular quantum field tells you what you need to work on, and then we go to phase two, which is you do the clearing work, right?
Denise Grams: I do. I do. And I have techniques and, and sacred geometry codes and all kinds of techniques that I use to do the clearing, and I ask which, which ones are going to clear, which ones are the best ones to clear, and, or correct or balance or whatever. So I use those. I write all of this down and use them, and then I apply all the clearings and corrections. And, and then after I've done that, I go back through everything that I have, that we've talked about, and I make sure that everything is holding and everything is the way it should be and correct and there aren't mistakes and I didn't mess up. And, and then I go on to the next thing to see if there's another, if there's, another. We call it a link. We work in links, and a link is an information, a whole package of information. And, for example, you might be heartbroken, and your heart might show up, and then that might lead to your kidneys, and it might lead to, an imbalance in your kidneys, which might take us to somewhere else in the body, and y-, it goes all over the place. A, a link is just. It's never A, A to B or anything like that. It's just all over the place. And so each time I'm at a station, whether it's a heart, kidney, whatever, I'm asking to see if there's. So is there any way that I can relieve the stress on that, That's not the language I use. For your purpose, I'm just saying that. So I'm asking to see, can I relieve the stress? Does it need to be relieved? And sometimes it just needs to be there to let me know that, I'm a part of this mess, whatever's going on. I'm a part of this stress package, and so I'll move on and move on to, say, I don't know, maybe it's the, maybe it's the liver, and then the liver will tell me what it wants. And it just goes on and on until the body says, "Okay, w- that's enough. We're done," and then we're done.
Erik Solbakken: , you, you make it sound so, "Oh, it's just, a matter of fact. You just ask and it tells me what it wants, and I just do what it wants, and then I leave it alone." And I, I'm like, for, for me, I'm like, "How the hell do you do that?" Like, that in, that. I really wanna get into that- Yeah. aspect of how did you start being able to realize you could communicate with it? But before I go to that question- Yeah. the one thing that just kind of popped out into my- Yeah. consciousness was, like, this is, like, pervi- permission-based healing.
Denise Grams: Absolutely.
Erik Solbakken: Like, so it, like, you are asking my cellular level, the scarring- Yeah. the, the pain, the blockages, everything- Yeah. within the body, asking it what it needs, and then- Yes. it tells you, and then you heal it. Yes. Which then always comes back down to that our bodies are intelligent, self-healing-
Denise Grams: Yes
Erik Solbakken: organisms. Like, I remember I had a, a friend of mine when I had my accounting firm and, and he was a client. He was a chiropractor, and he was explaining how important it is for your spine to be in alignment so that it doesn't pinch off the superconduct highway, which is - Yeah. your body's ability. So if you g- keep your spine in alignment, your spinal fluid and all the nerve endings can go, and so your brain can coordinate and self-heal itself. He said adjusting for the alignment was helping the body self-heal itself.
Denise Grams: Right.
Erik Solbakken: So it's like it, it, it intelligently knows how to heal itself, but in this case, there's all these blockages that come along. It hasn't self-healed itself with me, if what. Like, I'm almost- I'm connecting you to what my friend was doing for a chiropractor, and he's like, "I'm, realigning the body so it can self-heal itself." You are removing the blockages within my cellular, at the cellular quantum level.
Denise Grams: And, and, just to be clear, I am working with the body, but truly I'm working with the consciousness, the consciousness in the body. Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. This is wh- this. And this is why I was so excited- And the brain. to have you as one of my first guests- Yeah, yeah, yeah. because, like, this is, like, where the mind, the body, and the spirit- Yeah, yeah. all kind of. it all interplays because- Yes. I have this conversation about- Right. my emotional state, my thinking tied in- Yeah with my physical body, tied in with my spiritual connect. Yeah. It's all connected, and that's where- Yes. that's why I was so excited about launching the Viking Academy. It's like- Yeah. this exploration between these three- Yeah, yeah. has brought me into this convergence of understanding who I am and what I'm here to do- Right,
Denise Grams: right
Erik Solbakken: which is part of interviewing you, exploring, and being excited- Yeah. about this. But it's, it is that interlinkage, the work that you do is with the three areas, with the- Oh, absolutely. mind, the body, and the spirit, and it's constantly there. All,
Denise Grams: yes, all of it. Yes, absolutely.
Erik Solbakken: So you had some, some, some pretty heavy deep training to understand, and, and when we have our sessions, you explain in quite detail the different- Oh endocrine systems and this. I know. And then you tie it in with the chakras, and you tie it in with past regression- Yeah. and going into my past lives and the emot- releasing some emotion. there's a lot of technical work into it, but how did you intuitively know how to pick up on this? Because it's kind of like being a receiver on a radio station. Like for me, I, I don't have that ability that you have right now, or at least I can't pick up the station. I, I. It would be like listening to static. Or most of the listeners probably that haven't done energy healing or don't understand it would be going, "I wouldn't even know how to listen to this." When was the first time you realized you could dial in and hear, and be able to ask my body at the cellular, quantum, physical, spiritual level what it needs to have removed, to then apply the learning, the technical- clearings that you had to learn. But how did you find out that you could ta- like, you're the cellular whisperer. Like, - Well, I know. not the dog whisperer- I know. but you're like the quantum cellular whisperer.
Denise Grams: Yeah. It's such an interesting- How did you- Such an interesting question, Neil, because, you. I first got a glimpse of that when I was in, in this first meditation group. This transforming cellular memory is what he called it, and, and what would happen is we'd go into a m- and then he would start directing this and that, and people would start, coughing and doing all kinds of things, and I, I would. At, at that point, I, I realized that I just felt at home. My first training in working with energy medicine, I can't tell you, but when it's right, you don't even know. You just, you just know it's right. I, it's so hard for me to explain. I fell into it, and I thought, "Oh my God, I'm at home." And it took me. I was like, what? 51 or 52 back in '91. So, I was a late bloomer in terms of finding my, finding my journey in terms of career and that kind of thing. I was very late, but I just knew, and I took to it like a du- a duck to water, and everything that came in just was right. It just was right.
Erik Solbakken: So which leads me to the question-
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: was it late or just on time?
Denise Grams: It was totally on time. It was totally on time because I had to go through whatever I went through, I had to go through that and, And it wasn't an easy life in those days, but, not since then. It's been. I've had an, a, an amazing Great.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah, and that's the one of the core experiences for myself is that, and that realization that everything is unfolding with divine intelligence and timing. Absolutely. Absolutely. Is once you get into that kind of, oh, everything's in alignment, like the body knows how to heal itself, the body knows how to take care of itself, the universe knows what it's doing, and so when you're going through an incredibly difficult time like you did back in 1971, and when I did when I went through my crash and, and alcoholism- Yeah you're, you're defeated to, to have that realization that, oh, everything's happening the way it's supposed to. Yes. There's this calmness and this peace- Yes. that falls upon you that you realize that there's a purpose for you being here. And now that this is the reason why you went through that breakup in 1971. Yeah, yeah. Why you talked to that person who gave you the astrology- Yes. and you went, "Ooh, what's this?" Yeah. 1991, there was a reason why you went to the transformative Transforming Cellular Memory program. Yeah, yeah. And then you're talking to Eric right now at the Viking Academy, and this is all just this beautiful tapestry that's unfolding itself, and how you fit into it.
Denise Grams: Yes, exactly. it, it, it happens. Everything happens in life. There are. In my, in my understanding, there are no mistakes. I don't know, I don't. And, and that's, I know that's a theory, and I know if when I get into trouble with myself or whatever, or I get sick, I, I don't believe that for a half a minute. But No,
Erik Solbakken: we definitely forget it. That's better. Yeah. All spirituality goes out the window- Yeah. and we're pissed off with life. Yep.
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: Yep.
Denise Grams: Exactly.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah.
Denise Grams: But I know it's been proven to me time and time and time again that there are no mistakes. So, we're here, we have to roll with that. And those of us that, that don't or can't roll with that there are no mistakes, life is really hard and really a pain in the neck.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. That's an understatement of biblical proportions. I know. 'Cause I know for me, like, and a interesting thing is, like, I'm. I try not to be, "Oh, I know all the answers. Here, I've got it figured out." Yeah. Like, we're both saying, "No, no, no," I have. 'cause I'm human, and I also mis- I don't make mistakes, but I- Yeah. I suffer need- unnecessarily. Because after- Yeah. I, because I suffer and I realize when I look back on the suffering, it's like, oh, I was suffering because my thinking was, was that I should suffer, as opposed to going, oh, this is just happening. Like, pain can happen, but suffering's- Yeah. optional, right? Like, pain is inevitable- Yeah. but suffering's an option. I don't always see that. And, and it happens, right? Yeah. But looking back on, on life, and there's this wonderful book that my, my business coach, Dan Sullivan, wrote, which is Everything Is Created Backwards. And it's this great thinking tool- Mm. that he uses. Connects. Take three indi- three separate things from your past and make a new connection between them, and then take those three connections between the connections and connect them again. And what happens is, is you take your past and you see it fresh, and you go, "Oh, that's why it's there." So like looking in the, in the rear view mirror you see- Yeah. things for what it is, and you've done that with me with, with the, with the energy healing that we've done together. You've done multiple past life regressions with me where you've said. I remember the first time you told me, I went, "Oh, okay. Well, your body said that we needed to go and heal this.". And this takes you back to when you were two and a half years old. And this is what happened, and you were feeling abandoned by your mother, and you were- Yeah. fearful of your father, and this and this. And all of a sudden you talk me through that, and all of a sudden I have this, this aha moment and go, "That's why I am so afraid of making a mistake." Yeah. Because of this. Yes. And I have these connections, and I start understanding things when I look in the past and I realize, ah, that's why that happened. But none of it happens unless I go look for it, if I explore it, if I'm willing to be courageous enough to, to work with you. I know. And that's another reason why I wanted to bring you onto the podcast, is to tell people, like, if you have never done energy healing work, please- Yeah just, and you're at all interested, it's incredibly. It's enlightening. It's eye-opening. You understand who you are, what your past conditioning is. And peeling, which is one of, one of my worst phrases, I don't like hearing this one, peeling the layers of the onion. I'm like, "God, I don't like onions all that much, so I don't want to peel the onion." No, no, no, no. But ultimately, you and I have been working together for five years. Yeah. And I keep finding more.
Denise Grams: Yes, yes.
Erik Solbakken: But it's now it's more exciting to find out, ooh, where's this new blocker that needs to get removed? Ah.
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: Like, ooh. Ooh, I didn't see that blind spot. Like, as opposed to in the beginning, which was painful and judgemental and judging myself. You've made me change the way I look at myself through your healing services, is going, this is all part of the process, and enjoy the process 'cause that is your life.
Denise Grams: And you just energetically, just as I see you today, your energy is. You're, you're very radiant and quite lovely, really. Your energy is really good. It's really out there, and you've. I would say you've down aged quite a bit.
Erik Solbakken: Down aged
Denise Grams: Yeah
Erik Solbakken: in terms of. Could you express, could you go a little deeper? Well,
Denise Grams: you, you look younger. You look younger because you look more vital, you're happier, and you look, so much younger. And the clarity, especially in the last, six or eight months, your clarity, it's really blossomed. So the timing is really right for you to be doing this- Yeah. in my-
Erik Solbakken: Yeah, that's ri- and that's the Viking Academy. Oh, yeah. Yeah Like, every time I talk about the Viking Academy, I'm like. when you say down aged, I think of, like, some spiritual scriptures, like, be childlike in your- Yes. thought. Not childish, but childlike. Yes, yes Like, look at the world through the eyes of wonder and joy, and as. like, the little babies, I love babies. Yeah 'Cause you look at them and you see their eyes, their eyes are wide open. Yeah They're going, "What the hell is this place? This is amazing." And I come right to them. I'm like, "Oh, this is, isn't this so much fun? Welcome to Earth," right? I know. And the parents are kind of looking at me a little funny. I know. But I'm, like, looking at the kids going, "Welcome to Earth. You're gonna have so much fun-" I know. "down here." Like
Denise Grams: I do that, too, and, and it's really. I, I can't help myself. I have to do that with babies now. It's just crazy.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah, yeah.
Denise Grams: It's so much fun because they, they just respond, It's like- Yeah. this little thing. You're like.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. And that, to me, I love that down aging, is that I'm feeling younger and more energy, more vibrant as a result of exploring these three dimensions of myself. Yeah Like, exploring my body and finding out what works with it and what ticks. Exploring my mind and my thinking, and finding out what works and how it ticks. And exploring my spiritual connection.
Denise Grams: And as a result, you are showing up. Like, you are showing up in terms of, look at you. Yeah. You are.
Erik Solbakken: Which, which is what I want for others. Well, of course.
Denise Grams: Like,
Erik Solbakken: that's, that's, that's, that's- That's it. - I don't wanna hold onto this. I wanna give it away.
Denise Grams: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. Oh, it's just, it's so amazing. And so, I wrote this note, this note down. we, we've, we went through COVID and then everybody had to stay home, and we couldn't see each other in place. Yeah. So then everybody started going online and using Zoom. But you made a mention that u- Zoom is was your friend because it helps you avoid- Yeah. avoid the personality, the conditioned personality- Yeah, exactly. so you can go straight to the-
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: the source and get to the root cause of the body needs.
Denise Grams: , that was really interesting because I, when COVID hit, I thought, "Okay, well, I guess that's the end of that, and I won't be working, and oh my goodness, what am I gonna do?"? And then I, I have worked internationally with a few people on and off, and I thought, "I'll just put it out there and see what, what people want." Well, God, they all just came in. I was busier during COVID than ever. everything just really took off. So it was, in that sense, it was a blessing for me. Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah. And, and, w- for the listeners here, like, Denise lives across the pond from me. I'm, I'm in Victoria. Yeah. You're on the West Shore. You're in Vancouver. Yeah. And I've only seen you once in person.
Denise Grams: Only once, yeah. Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: I came and saw you the first time. Right. I took the ferry across. I wanted to meet you. We sat in person. That's right. We did that first session there.
Denise Grams: That's
Erik Solbakken: right. And after that, we've been doing five years of Zoom calls.
Denise Grams: That's right. We have. Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: ? And well, it's not Zoom, it is just FaceTime. Right. Whatever. It's remote. That's the other thing that I find so exciting is the fact that you're dealing at the level of the cellular level and the memory and the cellular level, but it's the quantum field because there's no distance required. You're- Yeah. X amount of kilometers or miles away from me- Right. but it makes no difference. Yeah. 'Cause once you can hone in on- Yeah. my signature and you're like, "Okay, I'm working with Eric," you then tap into that without the personality of Eric in the way for you to do your work. So, literally I've heard people say that, "Just get out of your own way." Like, literally I knew I need to get out of Denise's way so she can do the work on me. Because, And I joke at, like I sometimes jokingly say to people, ", who you are is screaming so loudly I can't hear a word you're saying." Right? Yeah, exactly. And so for you it's very literal. Like, it's like, "No, Eric, just stop talking and let me get to work. Like, let me go in there and- Exactly. and do the work I need to do."
Denise Grams: Exactly.
Erik Solbakken: Oh, my gosh. This is, this is fantastic. I, I see us doing many more podcasts because we didn't even get into any of the kind of the details of some of the- Yeah. specific clearings, which is what I would like to get into- and say, like how does astrology tie in with the clearing that you have and the types of clearings- Mm. and the regression analysis. And just for shits and giggles, let's. Can you explain a little bit more, because I mentioned it before that you took me to a past life regression. Can you just- Yeah can you just expand on that one a little bit so we can talk about that? 'Cause I want the listeners to understand- I meant by that and what you do through that process- Right. and how it helps me.
Denise Grams: Right. Right. Okay. So let's say that something is going on for you, doesn't matter what it is, and I start to. I get all the information around that that I can, and then it's time for me to start doing, applying my clearings, corrections, and balances. So just a, a bunch of different ways that I work. And when there's what. When trauma comes up, and, and I'm. When I do a correction on trauma, I'm trauma- pa-, I'm clearing past trauma and present trauma. Like, it rules out like a domino effect. So that's good. But when that comes up, I have found, and I was taught this by a, a really smart, smart woman, that, if you can go to the minutiae, if you can get to the details of, like, where we are, what. So what happened, when, all of that. What were you feeling? What were you thinking? And where in your body was it located? That kind of thing. So when I can do that, I can get more information and, and, and the chance of this clearing is, is so much better. So anyway, when I come to, say, trauma, then the first thing I'll ask is, I'm asking if I need to defrag that. Now, that's just a term we use, and, and that just means, do I need to take this apart and, and go deeper into it? So then I will look at, okay, so what's the scope of this thing? And I want some general information around, I want the parameters. I j- I just, it's just general information around this trauma, and then I want the timeframe. Now, timeframe, it can be a past life, often is a past life. I think we've come up with past lives for you. Past life, it can be a life off-planet. It can definitely be that. There's often many of those, or it can be childhood, or it can be something in your 20s or 30s, wherever it is. But I find the time only by testing, and sometimes I have to work without it for quite a while. Sometimes it won't give it to me right away. Like, sometimes I have to work through, like, is it 20, 21, it's 22. I have to test each one. So I. It's a good thing that I don't. Like, this isn't work for me. It's not, it's not hard work. I'm just, I'm, I'm like a detective. I just wanna get the, the exact piece there. So when I get the timeframe, then I wanna see any information that I can get around that time. Like you said, your mother and your father and this kind of thing. Once I've got that, then I see if I can do any corrections, clearings, and balances on that piece there, that piece of information, and always there is. And so then I go ahead and I keep correcting, and then it tells me when I've finished with all of the corrections and the defrag is over, and then I carry on with the rest of the session
Erik Solbakken: Did, it very much helped. So back at the beginning of the conversation-. it was treating the cause, not the symptom. And so when we think about treating the cause of, say, a trauma that I'm still carrying with me today in the present moment. Yeah. And so at the cellular level and the quantum level, it knows that. It'll disclose it to you freely because- Mm. the personality of Eric isn't in the way. That's right. And so you go to that, and it says, "Yep, there's some trauma that he's carrying, and it's here." And-
Denise Grams: Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: you go, "Okay, I'm gonna go treat the cause," but the root cause may not be. And inevitably it doesn't feel like it's in this lifetime-. or it's been reinforced in this lifetime, so-. what's happened at two and a half years old- Yes, yes you said, "There's the thing," and then I have this, oh- Yes. this aha moment. But you've also gone beyond that and said, it was in a past, past life in, like, the mid, I don't know, I can't remember. A couple of the dates was, like- Mm. 1900s. or, or something like that, and I was a, a native boy, and this is what happened, which is consistent with the trauma that happened when I was a two-year-old, which is so it's just- Yes, yes it's a pattern that's repeating itself in previous lifetimes. Right. Yes. Yes. And, and it's getting to the root, root cause- Yes. that is a repeating pattern. And so then we have this pattern that repeats in not only in, within this life-. but in previous lives, and it- Yeah. just keeps carrying forward. So it's like treating that cause so that it doesn't repeat itself going forward. And I can't remember if I've had any, like, off-planet or different-
Denise Grams: I can't remember either. I
Erik Solbakken: can't recall.
Denise Grams: , once I finish the session, like, I just don't even hold on to any of it because- Right. I don't even know. That's why I write stuff down, because I don't know. I'm in the zone when I'm, working.
Erik Solbakken: That's why I love why you let us. You record it, and you send me the recording. Yes. And so then I can- Yeah. go back, and maybe I'm gonna need to do that, go back in the recordings and see exactly what that is. But the beautiful part on the work that you do, and I want the listeners to understand this, is that I don't have to do anything more than what I just did with you. Like, I, by engaging with you and having the energy work, and you going back and finding the root cause, and doing all the technical- Right. clearings that how to do- Right. that is the work for me. And- That is the work, and so once that's cleared, I feel a little breathe. Like I remember the first. one of the first sessions you did on me remotely, I had this cascade-. of light in my eyes, and I got on the call with you afterwards. So first of all, just for the listeners, you have a first call with you, tell you what's going on in my life. You get a little bit of the personality of Eric. Yes. And then say, "Okay, now I'm gonna go in and check this out." I then be still, and one of the things I do is I don't, I don't look at the TV. I'm not watching screens. I go lie down and relax. You can go for a walk if you want to, you say, but normally I lie down and I tend to fall asleep because that's what I do. I lie down, relax, fall asleep, 'cause then really the personality of Eric can't get in the way.
Denise Grams: Yeah. Yeah.
Erik Solbakken: But then I remember coming to, and then all of a sudden this big sheet of light flashing over my eyes, and I was like, "Whoa." And then- Yeah. you follow up with the call back to me and say, "Okay, this is what we did. This is what we found." And I'm like- Yeah. "Oh, my goodness." Like, this is amazing because what you just said you did on me, I felt it physically, but there's nothing for me to do homework-wise, so to speak, going forward. That is the hard work. So it's kind of. It's lovely because I get to outsource the hard, hard work to you because I haven't been able to figure out my cellular memory and that experience and do that. Oh, that brings me to another point. Can you see it in yourself? Can you do energy work to yourself? Oh, I. Oh, I- Can you talk to your own cellular memory?
Denise Grams: Oh, yeah. I, I often. there are times, not often, but sometimes I'll pick up energy from people, and that s- doesn't feel very good, as probably, and I'll correct that. But I, every time before I start a session, I do a ritual of clearing and, just calling in any help that we can get to, to make this happen, So I have. An energy worker has to maintain that clarity or they're not gonna go anywhere, There have been times, the odd time, I'm, I'm rushed or whatever and I go in to do a session and I'm short-cutting. I just have to laugh at myself because I can't do anything, so I have to take- Five minutes, clear, breathe, whatever. or I've had a phone call just before I go in, and start. And, you just have to be clear. So, my lifestyle, like I live alone, and my lifestyle is really cohesive to this work that I do. If I had a family and I, all that, un- it wouldn't be as easy I don't think for me, 'cause that I, I don't think it would be as easy. I have a tendency to, look after people and everything, and my family and everything. I don't think I'd do that.
Erik Solbakken: So i- it's almost you need to clear the channel, clear the energies for yourself so that you can listen. You're, you're being a divining rod for the- Yes. the person you're w-
Denise Grams: working
Erik Solbakken: with is saying, "Okay." Yes. But you need to be clear so there's no other energies that are getting- Yes. in your way so that you can pick up the energy sequences and then go, "Okay, now what do I need to do?" And but you're, like, reading the instruction manual really when you think about it. You're asking, you just need to know how to ask, what questions to ask. Then my cellular memory at the quantum level tells you what to do and what it needs clearing for, and you say, "Oh, do you need this clearing?" Yes, no. This one? Yeah. No. Okay, I'll do that one first. Okay, do you need this one? Yeah or no, and then you do that one. And so it's that infinite- knowledge like this. Exactly. I, I kind of laugh sometimes when I hear people saying, "Oh, oh, there is no God, there is no creator, there's no nothing." And I'm like, really? There's, there's an incredibly intricate intelligence in the universe, and it permutates your body, your mind, your spirit, everything. It's connected to everything. It's like almost laughable to hear someone say, "Oh, there isn't." It's, like, kind of right there. So you're connecting with all of that.
Denise Grams: And I don't, I never start, with anybody, and even though we worked for five years and we talked and talked and everything, you and I, and Aaron and everybody, but I don't ever go in with any preconceived notion about what you're dealing with. And that's the thing about, the talk counseling or the, that kind of thing, counseling, is that the co- counselor is supposed to be figuring all this out. is figuring out the person's issues so they can tell them what they're supposed to do, and I found that really hard work. It was just terrible. I don't
Erik Solbakken: know I have a hard enough time trying to figure myself out, never mind trying to figure, tell somebody else what to do.
Denise Grams: Exactly. Yeah. So that was, the fact that, that this work, all I have to do is be a clear channel for you to tell me what you want, and I have to know the questions to ask. That's it.
Erik Solbakken: That's so cool. 'Cause for you, now you've found your purpose, and clearly it's, you're passionate about it because it c- you're in alignment with what you're here to do. You see your past life of all the experiences you've had is bringing you to where you are today, and you're loving what you're doing a- and you're fitting into the universe's plan for you, so to speak. You're fit into that, and it's almost playful what you do. When you're. It's play, it's not hard work. Or you said it's hard work if you're trying to figure it out or think of it too much, but if you let it happen, it becomes playful.
Denise Grams: It is. it really is a privilege to be able to work at this level. I just feel so privileged to be able to do this. And you're right, I never see this as work. It, it is not that it's not intense and it takes energy, but it's not work And certainly is an artwork, It's beautiful. I. like today I, I had this lovely session with this woman. She's been working through a really, really hard time. She's just blossoming, and it's just so beautiful when I'm asking the questions that sh- need to be asked, and she's arriving at a higher level of consciousness than she's ever been. Honestly, it is so exciting. It's just so exciting,
Erik Solbakken: Well, I am infinitely and completely grateful for the work that we do together. It's been- I am too. fantastic, and I'm excited about the future and doing more exploring. That for me, it's more exploring. It's like, ooh, let's find out what's next. What's, what's the other thing that needs to get out of the way? Right. And to be able to integrate that in with the Viking Academy, that spirit of exploration- Yeah exploring yourself so that you can find out who you are and why you're here and what your purpose is, right? Yeah. And so again, I see many more podcasts in the future. But for now I will be showing. What is the easiest way for people to find. For those of you that have not done energy healing, I highly recommend. It doesn't matter where your location is, as we've just talked about. Zoom is your friend, and not only that, it's gonna help you, your personality not get in the way of Denise's work. Where could they find you to be able to work with you?
Denise Grams: Okay. Well, they can go to denisegrams.com. That's my website, and they can read all about the energy work there, and there's a few other things they added. I've got astrology on there. I've got a few things on that website.
Erik Solbakken: Yeah.
Denise Grams: My phone number is 778-340-6129, or if you want to email me, I am at [email protected]. Love to hear from you.
Erik Solbakken: Fantastic. All right. Well, there you go. Let's, let's end, let's end the podcast there, and again, I look forward to our next session and our next podcast.
Denise Grams: Yeah. Thank you so much. Bye-bye for now.
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